Nobel Committee's choice again a scandal

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Comment by Eric SHIMA on April 5, 2009 at 1:45pm

I do not worry about that. This humen's being's prize is doing what is likely to do. Peace, as an output or outputs of high virtues brought into practice is not just a common thing. I would like it to be common but it remains a perfection men are searching for. Therefore those who succeed to approach it for the sake of real love do so relatively and logically are, either misunderstood or remain unknown. And for me this is logic although sad. I mean it is the logic of this controversial world. It is at the same time a token of lack of success of peacemaking. Serene peacemakers have just to understand this situation and go on thriving in the shadow. One day the sun will appear, rewarding those who do not sleep when the poorest people are dying and the deprived people bombed in the bush.
Courage!

Comment by Maso Uzicanin on October 13, 2008 at 5:44pm

And, if Srebrenica and Sarajevo were so far away from your sight for some "unknown" reasons, perhaps Dubrovnik will be good match. Or, how's about Vukovar !
Scandal - yes Mr. Oberg, really, not so much of the Nobel Commitee's choice, but YOURS!
Is this a way you build (??!!) bridges, or networks, or just a kind of your "expertise"?
Maso

Comment by Maso Uzicanin on October 13, 2008 at 12:58pm

Mr. Oberg,

I am not an expert in the area and do not feel to be qualified to comment about Mr. Ahtisaari's Nobel's Price.
I also do not think that independence of Kosovo was a wise move of US and international community.
However, your statement about "the most brutal event in Europe since 1945" does confirm what kind of person you are and what makes you so unhappy about Mr. Ahtisaari. Can I just remind you about Sarajevo and Srebrenica, if you have even heard about these places before. If you haven't , why won't you just go to some You Tube or Google stuff, or simply check some documents from the Hague Court. Although, I bet you will put the whole Court into the same bag with Ahtisaari! Nothing new and not unusual, except for those coming under the name of "Peace and Collaborative Development Network". Come on Mr. Oberg, I know that Serbian people can be very nice, very hospitable and I also spent a lot of time there in the past being entertained and having very good slivovica. But this is just ..... too much !!!

Comment by Jan Oberg on October 10, 2008 at 4:35pm

Dear "Fable"
I don't do blind dates and also not blind arguments - I mean, you keep you identity anonymous on your own page and that prevents me from discussing your rather ill-willed interpretations of what I actually try to say. But the bottom line is this: Even though Mr. Ahtisaari may have done excellent work elsewhere, his involvement in Serbia/Kosovo - and I describe it there because I know the place from 1974 and when I was a mediator and consultant to both sides 8 years before Mr. Ahtisaari came in in 1999 - is deficient and non-mediatory to an extent that ought to prevent him from receiving this prize. The rest, I am afraid could well be lost on you, so I choose to stop here. If you get out of hiding your real identity, I may consider debating with you here.

SIncerely Jan Oberg

Comment by Fable on October 10, 2008 at 4:17pm

You forgot to read the official reasoning or you just couldn't find it? The Nobelprize.org website boldly states: "for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades, to resolve international conflicts". Yes, for more than three decades. In this blog you either showed your ignorancy or unawareness of recent UN history. Blindly focusing to Kosovo because of your anti-NATO bias you forgot Mr. Ahtisaari has been a respected peacemaker in Africa and Asia. A highly respected person in Namibia, a honorary citizen due to his great efforts there at a critical time.

You are not familiar with Aceh either? Well yeah, NATO wasn't there so maybe you didn't focus your sinister attention there but there was a bad situation. Indeed, the current Indonesian Prime Minister was happy to hear the news and called Ahtisaari "a man of honour and honesty, who has devoted to peace and has a unique ability to make peace come true."

About Kosovo, yes it has been diplomatically the hardest task ever in his career. Obviously when two regions full of ethnic hate have to come to peace. Who appointed Ahtisaari the UN Special Envoy? Not NATO, it was UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and he chose a well respected peacemaker. Indeed any solution there did not conform both sides, but did you know that a peacemaker has to be determined? We can't make any peace process progress if we don't have determined plans for that. Stalemate and war for ever?

Ahtisaari's Crisis Management Initiative will continue his legacy and recognised peacemaking on all continents. It is really shameful to see you and the Peace and Collaborative Development Network bloggers denigrate real peacemakers and their lifetime lasting efforts at creating peace. You are just populists full of hate looking for scandals..

Comment by Jukka on October 10, 2008 at 11:59am

I agree with Mr. Oberg. Too many times Nobel Committee has awarded war criminals etc. Al Gore, Henry Kissinger, Menachem Begin, Shimon Peres, James Carter, Yithak Rabin, Elie Wiesel (supports wars in Iran and Iraq)... Credibility of that prize is down.

Comment by Damon Lynch on October 10, 2008 at 11:01am

Sorry for the ambiguity. It is too much that Ahtisaari got it!

Comment by Jan Oberg on October 10, 2008 at 10:59am

Thank you, David - yes, there are SO many who would deserve it better!
Thank you Elvira - perhaps I should be careful, yes, but the physical destruction, the killing, the DU and the political aftermath - breaking off a part of a country is, I believe, somehow second to none of what has been done in Europe, isn't it?
Thank you Damon - you mean it is too much that Ahtisaari got it - or that I wrote thus?
Jan

Comment by Damon Lynch on October 10, 2008 at 10:50am

Thanks for posting this. It's good to recognize everyone, big or small, doing their role. But this is too much!

Comment by Elvira Mandic on October 10, 2008 at 9:26am

This is not a surprising choice since the Nobel prize for peace has been contested in the past as well. It is always the elite and their contribution to peace is often questionable. On the other hand, I would be careful with statements such as "the most brutal event in Europe since 1945."

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